What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future - Escape from a Scam Compound
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🗓️ 8 February 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Scamming attempts might seem to just come out of nowhere to suddenly appear in your WhatsApp, but a special economic zone in Laos has emerged as a hotbed of cryptocurrency schemes—where victims of human trafficking are trapped and forced to attempt more crime.
Guest: Andy Greenberg, senior writer for WIRED.
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| 0:00.0 | Last June, Wired reporter Andy Greenberg was sitting on the roof of his Brooklyn apartment building, watching his children goof around in a kitty pool. |
| 0:14.3 | There was like a rainbow after a rainstorm, and it was a beautiful day, and I probably should not have been ignoring my kids and scrolling |
| 0:22.3 | through my phone but it's unfortunately that's the 21st century and that's how my mind operates. |
| 0:29.3 | And he looked down to find a mysterious email. |
| 0:33.2 | I got an email with no subject line from an email address on the encrypted email service |
| 0:40.3 | proton mail from this person who said he was a computer engineer trapped in a crypto scam |
| 0:46.8 | compound in the Golden Triangle. |
| 0:50.3 | The Golden Triangle stretches across northern Thailand, Laos, and Myanmar. |
| 0:55.7 | It's notorious for compounds where hundreds of trafficked workers are forced to scam people on the other side of the world. |
| 1:02.8 | If you've gotten one of those, |
| 1:04.1 | Hi, how are you? Random texts. |
| 1:06.7 | It might be coming from there. |
| 1:09.0 | Andy wasn't sure the email he got was genuine, but he was going to find out. |
| 1:13.4 | He moved the conversation to signal, and the person he was texting asked to go by the code name Red Bull. |
| 1:19.9 | Andy found out later that was because an empty can of Red Bull was sitting on his desk. |
| 1:25.5 | He was determined to be like the Edward Snowden of this scam compound and leak everything |
| 1:32.8 | and just dig up and give me absolutely all of their internal materials. |
| 1:39.3 | You know, he was so kind of selfless and so driven to do this that I was like kind of taken aback |
| 1:46.2 | at first. And I didn't even really know what to think of, of his motives and taking this kind |
| 1:51.0 | of incredibly brave and dangerous step of trying to be a whistleblower inside a human trafficking |
| 1:56.8 | crypto scam compound. |
| 2:04.0 | To test that Red Bull was telling the truth, |
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