When the news broke this week, the Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey was stepping down,

there was only one person I wanted to talk to.

How long have you been writing about Twitter?

Oh, wow, you're really going to start this off with the existential question of how I've wasted 16 years of my life writing about social networks.

That's journalist Nick Bilton. Nick writes for Vanity Fair now. But back in 2006, he was

working at the New York Times in a division of the company that researched how new technologies

might affect journalism. And I had heard about Twitter in 2006 and reached out to the guys who had started at

the time there was no one using it.

And the people who responded were Jack Dorsey and Biz Stone.

And we had a brief call.

And then soon after that, I became a reporter and started covering the company.

Nick would go on to write a book called Hatching Twitter.

And from the very beginning, his reporting was full of insidery tidbits about what was happening at the company.

Often, that meant drama centered on Jack Dorsey.

Jack Dorsey is co-founder, then CEO, then overthrown as CEO, then CEO again, and now out again.

This is someone who was pushed out of the company numerous times and has spent 16 years trying to ensure that he could be at the helm of it.

Most recently, that meant pushing back on activist investors who wanted him gone,

a battle that he seemed to win in 2020.

He really has spent his entire adult life fighting for control of that company.

And he's destroyed numerous friendships along the way and harmed a lot of people financially and so on in order to kind of remain in control.

So what happened? Today on the show, Jack Dorsey seems to be out for real this time.

Does that mean Twitter can finally change for the better?

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