What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future - Are We Over the Moon?
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🗓️ 4 January 2026
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
The Trump administration wants NASA to land astronauts on the moon by 2027. They also want them to do it with their budget slashed, a leadership carousel and competing views that Mars is more important.
Guest: Joel Achenbach, freelance journalist and author of Moondoggle
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| 0:34.9 | Not so long ago, journalist Joel Achenbach asked his daughter what she knew about the Artemis mission, a plan to send U.S. astronauts to the moon. |
| 0:44.9 | She thought it was puzzling because we already did that. We went to the moon long before she was born, and she didn't understand why we would do it again. |
| 0:52.9 | And I, frankly, had the same reaction. |
| 0:55.5 | And then, Joel, who spent more than 30 years at the Washington Post, asked his neighbors. |
| 1:00.7 | They are plugged in D.C. residents. Surely they knew what Artemis was, right? |
| 1:05.5 | Some of my neighbors who are, including some who were scientists, thought that Artemis was a Mars plan, you know, send |
| 1:12.1 | astronauts to Mars, which is only a little bit true. |
| 1:17.1 | The Artemis goal, which Joel wrote about for Slate, is to put Americans back on the moon |
| 1:22.4 | before China does it, and then eventually use the moon mission as a kind of proving ground to pave the way for missions to Mars. |
| 1:31.8 | So the goal with the story that I wrote, in part was just to say, hey, this is what's going on. |
| 1:40.9 | Well, what is that general cluelessness tell you about the current state of American space travel |
| 1:49.8 | and how much the public is aware of it? |
| 1:53.2 | If you go back to the 1960s, the space program was pretty central in our consciousness. |
| 2:00.0 | I mean, they were doing live television |
| 2:04.5 | broadcasts of rockets being launched with no astronauts aboard, but we knew that it was important |
| 2:10.6 | that this version of the Saturn 5 rocket successfully get off the pad. So Walter Conkite would |
| 2:16.8 | be on television narrating the launch |
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