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What Next: Syria Was Putin’s Testing Ground

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🗓️ 24 March 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of civilian targets in Ukraine is eerily reminiscent of its involvement in the war in Syria, where the goal was to crush civilian morale amid an uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. How did top global powers allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to be successful in Syria? Are there signs that he’ll enjoy similar success now, in Ukraine? Guest: William Wechsler, senior director of the Rafik Hariri Center and Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The images I can't shake, when I think of what's going on in Ukraine right now, come

0:11.6

out of Mary-U-Ball.

0:16.4

Mary-U-Ball is a port city in Ukraine's south.

0:19.1

It's been fighting off Russian aggression since war first broke out here in 2014.

0:26.9

The combat there now is different, more brutal, more complete.

0:34.2

The Associated Press had video journalists embedded there until recently.

0:38.8

They captured these images of pregnant mothers being carted out of a maternity ward after

0:44.9

it got bombed.

0:46.6

The reporters kept filming as one mom, who just lost some of her toes, had an emergency

0:52.8

C-section.

1:01.0

The baby survived.

1:03.9

The doctors cried out with joy.

1:10.8

And then minutes later, bombing started up again.

1:16.8

Now Mary-U-Ball has been described as 90% destroyed.

1:22.8

And the last EU diplomat to leave this city said Mary-U-Ball is no more.

1:34.4

William Wexler, a scholar who's been following this conflict, he says, what's happening here?

1:41.5

It makes a grim kind of sense.

1:44.5

Crushing an opponent into submission has worked since the beginning of time.

1:51.1

Will is actually an expert on the Middle East.

1:53.7

He directs the Atlantic Council's Refique Career Center.

1:57.2

But he says he's paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine because what happens here

2:02.6

is likely to reset the global order for at least a decade.

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