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What Next - Syria Was Putin’s Testing Ground

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🗓️ 24 March 2022

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Russia’s indiscriminate shelling of civilian targets in Ukraine is eerily reminiscent of its involvement in the war in Syria, where the goal was to crush civilian morale amid an uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. How did top global powers allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to be successful in Syria? Are there signs that he’ll enjoy similar success now, in Ukraine? 

Guest: William Wechsler, senior director of the Rafik Hariri Center and Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council.

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0:00.0

The images I can't shake when I think of what's going on in Ukraine right now come out of Maryupal.

0:15.9

Maryupal is a port city in Ukraine south.

0:19.4

It's been fighting off Russian aggression since war first broke out here in 2014.

0:26.2

But the combat there now is different, more brutal, more complete.

0:34.1

The Associated Press had video journalists embedded there until recently.

0:38.7

They captured these images of pregnant mothers being carted out of a maternity ward after it got bombed.

0:46.6

The reporters kept filming as one mom, who just lost some of her toes, had an emergency C-section.

0:57.0

Let me. some of her toes, had an emergency C-section. The baby survived.

1:03.8

The doctors cried out with joy.

1:10.3

And then minutes later, bombing started up again.

1:16.5

Now, Maryupal has been described as 90% destroyed.

1:22.4

And the last EU diplomat to leave this city said Maryupal is no more.

1:33.8

William Wexler, a scholar who's been following this conflict.

1:38.7

He says, what's happening here, it makes a grim kind of sense.

1:44.6

Crushing an opponent into submission has worked since the beginning of time.

1:51.0

Will is actually an expert on the Middle East. He directs the Atlantic Council's Rafiq Hariri Center.

1:57.0

But he says he's paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine because what happens here

2:02.1

is likely to reset the global order for at least a decade. Also, because what he's seeing in

2:08.8

the city of Maryupal and elsewhere, it's familiar to him. It reminds him of Russia's intervention

2:14.8

in Syria back in 2015. This is the Russian way of war, and we're seeing it again in Ukraine today.

2:23.0

But I was reading about how massive devastation has been a hallmark of Russian military strategy for a long time.

2:30.6

Like this prominent Russian military strategist just laid this out. He said,

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