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What Next: SCOTUS Reviews Affirmative Action…Again

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🗓️ 1 November 2022

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in two cases challenging race-conscious admissions programs. If the justices decide that affirmative action is unconstitutional—as they seem poised to do—how can universities still create diverse student bodies? Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, senior writer at Slate covering the Supreme Court. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When the Supreme Court heard arguments about affirmative action this week, Slates' marches

0:10.6

of stern was surprised.

0:13.2

Not by the cases at hand, he'd been watching and waiting for those to land at the court

0:17.5

for years.

0:18.5

He wasn't surprised by the epically long oral arguments either, or by the many, many

0:23.4

lawyers who threw themselves at the mercy of the justices, one by one.

0:28.9

The surprise mark was the nature of the arguments the justice is unspooled.

0:34.0

What was so remarkable is that the actual constitution, like the 14th Amendment's equal protection

0:39.4

clause, which is ostensibly at the heart of these cases, it did not really come up until

0:46.3

halfway through arguments.

0:49.6

What Mark is talking about here is something I noticed right away when I listened in.

0:55.0

Debating affirmative action seemed very personal to this court.

0:58.6

The justices are known for couching their opinions in the rigid framing of the legal system.

1:04.0

But as they debated the value of diversity, they sounded more like frustrated relatives

1:08.6

at Thanksgiving.

1:09.7

I welcome the court's questions.

1:12.3

Mr. Park, I've heard the word diversity quite a few times and I don't have a clue what

1:18.4

it means.

1:20.6

It seems to mean everything for everyone.

1:24.2

For instance, here is Justice Clarence Thomas.

1:27.7

Building a lawyer arguing in favor of affirmative action.

1:31.4

Thomas asks, how does diversity actually help students learn?

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