What Next - Putin’s Obsession With Ukraine
Slate Daily Feed
Slate
3.9 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 23 February 2022
⏱️ 28 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
President Vladimir Putin has begun sending Russian soldiers into Ukraine after spending months massing troops on the country’s borders. Why is Putin risking so much to take the Donbas region? And does this latest incursion signal a failure of the west’s foreign policy approach to Russia?
Guest: Josh Keating, global security reporter at Grid.
If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Here are a few of the words you might use to describe what's happening in Ukraine right now. |
| 0:13.8 | You might call it an incursion of Russian troops. |
| 0:17.3 | Maybe the beginning of an invasion. |
| 0:20.5 | But one word some are resisting using, so far at least, |
| 0:24.9 | is war. This is not the all-out nightmare scenario we were fearing. |
| 0:31.9 | Josh Keating covers global security for the new site grid. |
| 0:35.3 | It was always clear that if a war started, that Danyetsk and Lujansk, these two breakaway |
| 0:41.8 | regions, would be the kind of tripwire for it. |
| 0:44.3 | It's less clear that it's how that conflict's going to end. |
| 0:48.4 | Separatists in Danyetsk and Luhansk have been fighting to join Russia for years. |
| 0:53.0 | And Josh says, when Vladimir Putin recognized the so-called independence of these regions on Monday, |
| 0:59.1 | and then sent what he calls peacekeeping troops in to defend them, |
| 1:03.5 | he was pulling out a page from a familiar playbook. |
| 1:07.1 | Russia has traditionally used these kind of frozen conflicts or breakaway regions as a way to, you know, sort of expand Russia's influence in its region. |
| 1:17.2 | It's what they did in Georgia in 2008. There were these two breakaway regions there, and they basically sort of goaded Georgia into attacking them first, which then gave Russia all the pretext it needed to launch an all-out invasion. |
| 1:33.7 | This time, I think Russia was trying to kind of do the same operation, but the difference is that Ukraine hasn't taken the bait so far. |
| 1:42.9 | If you look at a map of these regions, |
| 1:45.4 | you can see they've got a seam down the middle of them. |
| 1:48.3 | That's the front line, where Ukraine and Russia have been battling for control. |
| 1:54.0 | It's emblematic of the divided public opinion here. |
| 1:57.2 | Though you don't hear about it so often, |
| 1:59.5 | about half of the people polled in Dhenitsk and Luhansk have actually said they want to remain as part of Ukraine. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Slate, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Slate and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

