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What Next - Putin Is in a Dangerous Spot

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🗓️ 6 October 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

With the war turning towards Ukraine’s favor, Vladimir Putin is becoming more isolated and more dangerous. Can Ukrainians expel the Russians—or the Russians expel Putin—while avoiding the worst-case scenario?


Guest: Bryan Bender, senior national correspondent for POLITICO.


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When Vladimir Putin announced he was annexing parts of Ukraine last week, he did not skimp

0:52.3

on the showmanship. He emerged on a stage after walking through gigantic golden doors, pulled

1:03.7

open by a pair of goose-stepping soldiers. A packed house was there to hear him speak.

1:09.7

Vladimir Putin no doubt likes the trappings of lack of a better term, dictatorship. I asked

1:19.3

Politico's Brian Bender to sit down and talk about the speech with me. He is the sole

1:25.2

power in Russia and he likes everybody to know that and so when he does public events,

1:31.6

they're usually big and outsized and everything that would go with the sort of culture personality.

1:39.1

There was this one moment I wondered if Brian had noticed. It was when Putin claimed he

1:44.3

was scooping up parts of Ukraine because it was the will of millions of people. This is

1:56.1

a species claim at best, but it didn't matter. It was as if one of those old-time applause

2:02.7

signs had gone off. And the studio audience, they knew just what to do.

2:08.4

This is not unlike any one who tries to avoid historical analogies because they're never perfect.

2:16.3

But a bunch of people last week were raising Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Adolf Hitler did very

2:24.2

similar things in Poland and Czechoslovakia where he annexed German-speaking portions of those

2:31.2

countries that bordered on Germany. And of course, a lot of it is staged. And when you say

2:37.9

millions support this, it's really hard to know how true that really is. And who believes it?

2:44.4

And who believes it? Russia has a very accomplished, sophisticated propaganda machine.

2:50.6

In this speech, Putin raised a kind of specter. He started talking about how the United States

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