Quick hands up here at the top, there's some spicy language ahead. You've been warned.

Sam, I'll start here. How did you know that Project 2025 had become a political buzzword?

It's interesting. I've been following Project 2025 for a long time,

basically since it started.

But it was only in the past couple of months

that I saw it everywhere.

Sam Edler Bell hosts the Know Your Enemy Podcast.

Welcome to Part 4 of our series Project 2025.

How Democracy dies.

And when he says Project 2025 has been everywhere, he means everywhere.

I just started reading Project 2025 and yeah. It's on Tik-Tock. It's on cable news. And you, I'm sure, have seen their agenda. Project 2025?

Oh! 25.

Randy, can you believe they put that thing in writing? Suddenly it was,

suddenly it was seemed like this word, this phrase was on everybody's lips and it was sort of being referred to as this like demonic plan from the right but it reached a level of just total saturation in political media,

I feel like, in the past few months.

Even though this phrase has become so familiar, so fast, it's worth breaking down exactly what Project 2025 is.

It calls itself a presidential transition project.

It's based out of the right-wing think tank

the Heritage Foundation. Over a hundred conservative organizations helped shape it.

It offers dozens of conservative policy proposals. It gives conservatives a way to

pre-apply to jobs in a future Republican administration. It offers training for people

who want to enter civil service. Think of it as a kind of easy-baked

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