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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

What Next - On the Front Lines of California’s Wildfires

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, Daily News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2021

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The fires raging across the American West are like the climate crisis itself: Too big and too extreme to understand all at once. So today, we’re zooming in on some of the people fighting those fires: crews of incarcerated women. In California, they risk their lives for abysmal pay, and officials are just starting to realize how essential they are to the state’s fire response. 

Guest: Jaime Lowe, author of Breathing Fire

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0:00.0

If you stack up all the facts about fire season in the American West, they can get overwhelming.

0:11.0

Right now there are dozens of fires all around the country.

0:14.5

The largest, the bootleg fire, has grown to be the size of Los Angeles.

0:20.4

And no matter where you live, you can physically feel the impact.

0:25.8

Smoke has swirled from Oregon and California all the way to New York, which is where Jamie Lowe lives.

0:33.6

I mean, I was walking around yesterday and I could tell that the air quality was definitely affected.

0:44.0

The sun was kind of orange and muted, which feels like we are in that apocalyptic science fiction world.

0:59.5

Jamie's a reporter. She's also a native Californian. She's become something of a fire expert.

1:06.4

I feel like I know so much about what's happening in that state that I am like chicken little

1:13.2

running around going everyone get out, but everyone stay because it's also a great state.

1:20.1

It's a very conflicting feeling.

1:26.9

One of the reasons Jamie feels so conflicted about the way her home state deals with this climate crisis

1:33.5

is because of who the state recruits to fight its fires each year.

1:39.4

They're the usual union guys, the hotshot crews that patrol inside the actual flames.

1:46.5

And then there are the incarcerated fire crews. Convicted felons paid just a few dollars a day

1:52.8

to cut fire lines alongside the professionals. Jamie didn't even know about these fire crews

1:59.3

until she was flipping through the paper a few years back and saw this headline.

2:04.4

Female inmate firefighter dies following injury in Malibu Blaze.

2:10.8

That inmate was a woman named Shauna Lynn Jones.

2:14.4

She was just 22.

2:16.2

I read this story and it was like, you know, it was like 500 words.

2:20.4

So it was short.

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