Before I left the Democratic National Convention last week, there's one person that I wanted

to make sure to check in with. Someone I've actually had on the show before who I think has been

uncommonly transparent, especially for a politician. Congresswoman Primuligiah Paul.

I'm rolling, so you're going to go.

OK, great.

So Representative Jayapol, thank you for being here.

I'm really excited to speak to you.

Congresswoman Jayapol represents the 7th Congressional District of Washington.

She's also the leader of the House Progressive Caucus.

We last spoke right before the State of the Union.

Back then, she told me she was uneasy.

She said she felt like President Biden's coalition was fracturing,

and she was worried he was going to lose.

All this was well before his disastrous debate performance.

So now that Kamala Harris is on the top of the ticket,

it felt like a good time to talk again

about what's changed and what hasn't.

The first thing to understand about Jayapol is that despite her open fears about

Biden as a candidate, unlike some others, she stood by him to the end.

It's just such a bittersweet moment

because I think that debate performance

was not just a bad night.

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