What Next - How Immigration Enforcement Became So Violent
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🗓️ 27 January 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
How ICE and Border Patrol’s mission became harassing the president’s personal enemies.
Guest: Radley Balko, journalist and the author of Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces and a Substack called The Watch.
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| 0:00.0 | I called up journalist Radley Balco, because after another weekend of getting flooded by violent images of federal agents threatening pepper spraying and killing residents of Minneapolis, I wanted to talk with someone who could tell me the story of how we got here. |
| 0:23.3 | I know what I've seen with my own eyes, but I was curious why the people with the chemical |
| 0:27.6 | irritants and the badges weren't believing their own. How many police brutality videos do you |
| 0:34.8 | reckon you have watched over your career? Oh, wow. I guess |
| 0:42.8 | easily hundreds. I hope I'm not into the thousands yet, but yeah, a lot. Radley's substack is |
| 0:52.8 | called The Watch. You know, it uncomfortable and difficult and sort of collectively traumatic as that can be, |
| 1:02.0 | that's a good thing, right? I mean, it's a good thing that we have this decentralized, |
| 1:08.0 | citizen-driven method of transparency. |
| 1:12.7 | I feel like I have seen more videos of someone dying in the last three weeks than maybe ever before. |
| 1:24.3 | Yeah, it has really accelerated. |
| 1:28.3 | A key difference to me here seems to be the fact that people are intentionally observing. |
| 1:36.3 | People are intentionally around. |
| 1:38.3 | So the overwhelmingness of different angles and different people holding cameras, |
| 1:43.3 | that's what gives the images their veracity. |
| 1:47.6 | I think there's something to that. |
| 1:49.1 | And then you've got an administration that's also openly encouraging and celebrating police abuse. |
| 1:54.6 | And so, yeah, we're getting this kind of surreal moment where we're getting inundated with these videos of violence, |
| 2:03.3 | unjustified government violence from every possible different angle. |
| 2:08.0 | And yet an administration that is more determined than the worst police agencies in the |
| 2:13.5 | country to make sure that no one has ever held accountable for it. |
| 2:19.2 | To Radley, the images of people getting killed, people like Alex Preti and Renee Good, |
| 2:25.5 | they are atrocious. But they're not the only videos where he can see this shift in how federal |
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