Lawrence Carter is a bit of a ghost.

I went looking for a picture of you online before we spoke.

And I couldn't find one.

And I had to wonder if that was intentional.

That is intentional.

Lawrence works at Greenpeace, UK,

but he's an investigative journalist,

and he's not afraid to call his latest reporting a sting operation.

Yeah, an undercover sting, an undercover investigation.

I'm not precious about what we call it.

Yeah, you can call this sting.

This sting was focused on ExxonMobil, one of the largest oil companies in the world.

Posing as a headhunter, Lawrence lured two men who'd worked as big oil lobbyists into Zoom meetings. Then he pressed record.

Did we aggressively fight against some of the science, yes.

It's eerie to look at this footage, Lawrence obtained.

In the same Anodyne's Zoom rooms all of us have been working in over the last year and a half,

we see these lobbyists admit to political maneuverings, both basic and shocking.

Did we join some of these shadow groups to work against some of the early efforts?

Yes, that's true.

But there's nothing illegal about that.

Over hours of conversation, the lobbyists reveal that even a position that seems environmentally

friendly, like Exxon's support of a carbon tax, might be nothing more than a stalling tactic.

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