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What Next - How Charlie Kirk Went From Martyr to Meme

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3.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In the immediate aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s murder, the NFL was holding moments of silence, Ezra Klein was waxing about how he was ‘practicing politics the right way,” and criticizing Kirk online could get you fired. Now, as the trial of Tyler Robinson, Kirk’s alleged killer, begins, something has replaced that reverence. 


Guest: Will Sommer, senior reporter for the Bulwark and writer of False Flag, a newsletter about the online culture and communities now running our country. 



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0:00.0

Earlier this month, in a courtroom in Provo, Utah, a very strange drama played out.

0:14.7

It was not a trial. It was a series of preliminary hearings, a presentation of evidence,

0:20.8

with the government trying

0:22.4

to prove they had the goods to prosecute the man, they say, killed the founder of Turning

0:26.9

Point USA, Charlie Kirk.

0:29.9

Critical evidence in court today in the case against Charlie Kirk's accused killer,

0:34.2

Tyler Robinson.

0:36.1

This hearing had all the trappings of a trial.

0:39.3

Interviews with witnesses.

0:41.2

DMs from the alleged killer himself.

0:43.7

These are the text messages prosecutors say Tyler Robinson sent to his former roommate and

0:48.8

romantic partner allegedly admitting to shooting and killing Charlie Kirk last September.

0:54.1

You weren't the one who did it right.

0:56.5

And Tyler says, I am. I'm sorry.

1:00.0

Will Somer, from over at the bulwark, says for Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, and her allies,

1:05.3

there was this hope that maybe if all this evidence got out there,

1:10.2

the conspiracy theories swirling around her husband's death, they would melt away.

1:15.4

They thought that this would be a moment, I think, to finally put these conspiracy theories down and to really say, you know, here is the evidence.

1:22.6

You can watch this video. You can see this confession. And that will show you. They'll finally put all of these

1:29.5

crazy ideas to rest. I mean, is that what happened? No, it's not what happened at all. Turns out,

1:36.5

there's no good way to eliminate a conspiracy theory, especially when thought leaders on the right

1:41.4

have been encouraging their audiences to do their own

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