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Ukrainecast

What next for Ukrainian refugees?

Ukrainecast

BBC

News Commentary, News

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2022

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

The Ukrainian government has asked refugees not to come home before the spring – they’re worried about pressure on the energy system. But what does this mean for host countries? We discuss the implications with Sarah Nathan from the UK charity Refugees at Home and Stephanie Hegarty, the BBC’s global population correspondent.

Also, the BBC’s Tim Whewell has an update on Viktoria Kovalenko’s situation. After losing her husband and daughter to the war, she was held captive in a basement in appalling conditions. She eventually made her way out of Ukraine and has been waiting for a UK visa since April.

And BBC Ukraine correspondent James Waterhouse joins us from Zaporizhzhia, one of the many cities hit by another wave of missile attacks.

The series producer is Estelle Doyle. The producers are Luke Radcliff and Arsenii Sokolov. The technical director, Michael Regaard. The assistant editor, Alison Gee. The senior news editor, Jonathan Aspinwall.

Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:04.7

Hello, it's 250 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine.

0:09.2

And many of you will remember the story of Victoria.

0:12.9

Victoria left her home in Cheneyiv in Northern Ukraine

0:17.4

with her family at the beginning of the invasion.

0:20.5

And she came on Ukraine cast to tell us that while they were fleeing,

0:25.7

her husband and one of her daughters, the 12-year-old,

0:30.9

were both killed right in front of her.

0:35.1

When the explosion happened, we were still in the car.

0:41.8

The rear window of the car was broken.

0:45.2

My elder daughter, she got scared because she saw blood.

0:50.4

And then we proceeded to get out of the car.

0:55.7

When I got out, my elder daughter was lying on the ground.

1:01.1

She had been dead.

1:03.6

Victoria, what about your husband?

1:05.8

Not the moment when I was getting out of the car, he was outside.

1:11.6

But when I looked back, he was inside the car.

1:15.5

I could only see his legs.

1:17.7

His body was prostrated across the driver's and passenger seat.

1:22.1

And I couldn't see his head because the airbags have been activated.

1:27.6

And that's how I understood that he was dead because he was not moving.

1:32.9

Victoria was taken prisoner by Russian forces

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