Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast, I'm Matt Charlie, being the best of my Times Red

Show.

You can listen live, Monday to Friday, 10 to 1, on your DAOB radio, on your Smart Speaker,

on your Times Radio app, and actually today was probably a good day to be listening

live as the news unfolded on this extraordinary port into Boris Johnson's misleading of the

House's Appearities Committee, found, recommending that he should have been suspended from

the House of Commons for 90 days and banned from returning on a former MP's pass.

So on today's episode, a bit later on we're going to ask what should Boris Johnson do

next.

But first, let's take you through it, what the report says, and what it means to Boris

Johnson.

I was joined by Patrick McGuire.

Patrick, how significant a moment is this in British policies?

Well look, Joe and I, who's the Chinese Premier, has asked that question about the French

revolution at some point in the mid-20th century, so it's too early to tell.

And look, we'll only know how significant a moment this is in British politics.

And the immediate future in the Conservative Party, when, as Steve Swimford was saying,

we have the number of Tory MPs who are prepared to die on this particular hill.

But what we can already say is that number is probably going to be a small minority of

the parliamentary Conservative Party.

And look, ultimately, take a step back, this is the end of Boris Johnson's career in

front-line politics.

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