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What Next - Decorator-In-Chief

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🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

From the gold accents going up in the White House, to his orders to bring back classical design to federal buildings, Donald Trump is a president with a very specific aesthetic sensibility—which often is a manifestation of his politics.

Guest:  Abdallah Fayyad, policy correspondent at Vox

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0:00.0

Can we talk about the Oval Office?

0:08.6

If you close your eyes, I bet you can picture it.

0:12.0

The fireplace, the portraits.

0:14.6

And ever since Donald Trump has been back in office, the gold.

0:26.9

Yeah. office, the gold. Before we really get into it, it's worth talking about what this room has looked like historically.

0:32.9

If you Google around, you'll see.

0:35.5

Joe Biden kept a moonrock in there. Also a bust of Martin Luther King

0:39.7

Jr., one of Caesar Chavez, too. And all that stuff has been moved. Even the moon rock.

0:47.2

How did you notice the changes? Because of how shiny they were?

0:53.4

Abdullah Fyad has been following all this over at Vox.

0:57.0

He's redecorating the Oval Office in a way that looks a lot like Trump's properties.

1:05.0

It seems like every time there's a new meeting, there's more gold in the background.

1:17.3

To be straight, every president gives the White House a little makeover.

1:20.4

But what Trump has done seems different.

1:25.5

It's not just the way every surface has been gilded, though that is notable.

1:29.2

The Washington Post reported that the president ditched a Swedish ivy plant that had been sitting in the Oval Office for decades. An official portrait of Barack Obama

1:34.7

got stuck in a stairwell. And then there's the merch that's available. Some visitors to the Oval

1:41.0

Office have exited through a gift shop of a sort, where you can get,

1:45.0

you guessed it, a red maga hat.

1:47.5

All this together, Abdullah says, well, it's anathema to how the White House usually runs.

1:53.5

As grand a building as it is, it's also relatively understated.

1:57.5

You know, a lot of times when tourists go to Washington, D.C., be they Americans or

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