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What Next: Best of 2021 | How Should We Remember Colin Powell?

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🗓️ 28 December 2021

⏱️ 9 minutes

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We’re re-running some of our favorite episodes from the past year. This episode originally aired in October 2021. Colin Powell, known as a “trailblazer” and “pathbreaker” in his military career, leaves behind a complicated legacy. The four-star general became a household name during the first Gulf War as the first Black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and later the first Black secretary of state. Thirty years after his rise to national prominence, Powell’s death has prompted reflections on the Iraq War and his role in using false intelligence to justify the U.S. invasion. Guest: Fred Kaplan, Slate’s War Stories columnist. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Danielle Hewitt, Elena Schwartz, Davis Land, and Carmel Delshad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:11.1

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0:26.9

Slack.com slash DHQ. Hey everyone, here's the hoping you are having a great holiday break.

0:35.3

Over the last few days, we've been bringing you some of our favorite stories that helped

0:38.7

define our year. Today, I'm going to bring you a story from back in October. This is when

0:44.5

General Colin Powell had just died, and it was a month after the 20th anniversary of the

0:50.0

9-11 terrorist attack. Back then, I sat down with Slate's Fred Kaplan to talk about Powell's

0:56.7

complicated legacy and figure out how we should remember him today.

1:06.3

Colin Powell knew how you were going to remember him. Thank you, Mr. President. Frozen in

1:11.8

time at the United Nations on February 5, 2003. I cannot tell you everything that we know,

1:19.3

but what I can share with you when combined with what all of us have learned over the

1:23.8

years is deeply troubling. This is when he laid out the case for the Iraq War. The case

1:32.3

that Saddam Hussein was harboring weapons of mass destruction. My colleagues, every statement

1:38.6

I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. He spoke for over an hour that day.

1:45.9

These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid

1:51.1

intelligence. And many of the things he said were wrong.

2:04.2

Here is another way to remember him. Slate's Fred Kaplan covered the general when he was

2:19.0

national security adviser under Reagan, and when he became chairman of the Joint Chiefs

2:23.6

of Staff a few years after that. And again, when he was appointed Secretary of State, that's

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