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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Another Whistleblower Comes Forward

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2020

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

A new whistleblower complaint alleges that the Trump administration is trying to manipulate national security agencies for political ends. With two months to go until the presidential election, what can Congress do to respond?

Guest: Shane Harris, reporter at the Washington Post. 

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0:00.0

Last week, Shane Harris over at the Washington Post was one of the very first people to get his hands on a brand new Trump administration whistleblower report.

0:13.8

Yeah, another one.

0:15.7

Yeah, it is a heck of a report. It's very dense. It has something around eight separate allegations.

0:22.5

These allegations are about how intelligence has been manipulated over at the Department of Homeland

0:27.4

Security. Intelligence about immigration, election security, domestic terrorism. But to Shane,

0:34.6

it's not just what the whistleblower is saying that stands out.

0:38.5

What was really striking and that I was not prepared for was who was making these allocations.

0:48.0

They're coming from a guy named Brian Murphy, who is, until recently, was the head of intelligence for the Homeland Security Department,

0:56.3

and is somebody who is running the office that he says is being subjected to manipulation by the president.

1:08.3

He has dates, he has conversations attributed to people by name. So he says, you know, acting

1:15.2

Secretary of Homeland Security, Chad Wolfe said this on this date, or the Deputy Secretary

1:21.3

Ken Cuccinelli said the following to me. And these are all pieces of information. These are all

1:26.4

allegations that can be substantiated

1:29.7

or refuted. So he's basically handed over a roadmap of these allegations. He's kind of

1:34.5

brought the receipts. This is a top, top, you know, level person at the leadership level. It's

1:40.1

quite striking. Did you know about this guy before this complaint was filed?

1:46.9

I knew about Brian Murphy because I had written a series of articles about intelligence

1:53.1

activities that the office he runs was engaged in.

1:57.2

In the article, Shane was writing a few weeks back, Murphy was the tyrant of the story, not the hero.

2:03.0

Shane reported Murphy's office had compiled intelligence reports on journalists covering the unrest in Portland.

2:09.1

After that story came out, Murphy got demoted.

2:12.5

Murphy was very much portrayed by the leadership of the department as the bad actor here, the one who had been

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