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Getting Better with Jonathan Van Ness

What Nature Can Teach Us About Healing - with Dr. Beronda Montgomery

Getting Better with Jonathan Van Ness

Sony Music

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Comedy, Education

4.9 • 21.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Happy Earth Day! This week on Getting Better, Jonathan sits down with plant biologist, author, and educator Dr. Beronda Montgomery for a grounding conversation about nature’s healing power and America’s Black botanical legacy. Together, they explore why reconnecting with green spaces can be so transformative for our mental, emotional, and physical well-being, and how practices like urban gardening and container planting can help us build a more meaningful relationship with the natural world—no sprawling backyard required. Jonathan and Dr. Montgomery also dig into the deeper wisdom held in landscapes, plants, and history itself—examining interdependence, the ways trees and land can testify to the past, and the often-overlooked contributions of African Americans in botany and agriculture, alongside the foundational knowledge of Indigenous communities. They touch on the significance of willow trees, the meaning of Sankofa, and what it means to look back in order to carry wisdom forward in a powerful episode about healing, remembrance, purpose, and the responsibility of growing a better future together. Dr. Montgomery’s new book When Trees Testify: Science, Wisdom, History, and America’s Black Botanical History (Henry Holt, 2026) is out now.  BIO: Dr. Beronda L. Montgomery is a writer, science communicator, and researcher. She has spent more than 20 years in higher education, most recently as vice president for academic affairs (2022–2024) and professor of biology (2022–present) at Grinnell College. Montgomery studies how plants and photosynthetic bacteria perceive, respond to, and are impacted by environments in which they exist. She is the author of Lessons from Plants (Harvard University Press, 2021) as well as her newest book When Trees Testify: Science, Wisdom, History, and America’s Black Botanical History (Henry Holt, 2026). Trees stand at the intersection of plant knowledge, Black agricultural history, and collective memories of trauma and triumph intertwined. In When Trees Testify, Montgomery explores the roles that seven tree species—pecan, willow, oak, poplar, mulberry, sycamore, and apple—along with the cotton shrub have played in the lives of Black Americans from their enslavement in the United States to the present. She also explores the science of these plants as well as the sometimes-fraught relationship that African Americans have with agriculture and plants. Full Getting Better Video Episodes now available on YouTube.  Follow Dr. Beronda Montgomery on Instagram @beronda_m Follow us on Instagram @gettingbetterwithjvn  Follow Jonathan on Instagram @jvn Executive Producer, Chris McClure Producer, Editor & Engineer is Nathanael McClure Production support from Chad Hall Our theme music is also composed by Nathanael McClure. Check out the JVN Patreon for exclusive BTS content, extra interviews, and much much more - check it out here: www.patreon.com/jvn Curious about bringing your brand to life on the show? Email podcastadsales@sonymusic.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey Better Babes, welcome back to Getting Better. Can you believe? It is April. It is Earth Month.

0:05.5

And on that note, today, we're going to go on a beautiful, gentle journey of understanding the connection between plants and nature and our history in America.

0:14.6

We are traveling all over the place. We're learning all about trees with someone who I love so dearly, Dr. Beronda Montgomery. Now, if that name rings

0:22.7

your ears, you may remember her from 2021 and 2022, where we had her on getting curious. I have not

0:29.0

stopped DMing her about plants and garden questions ever since. I love her so much, but today is

0:33.4

the first day that we're ever meeting in real life. Spoiler alert, I'm starting a rooftop garden on our building in New York. So it's just going to be some pots, but I have a lot of plant questions for Buranda today. So come on the journey. Happy Earth Month, and let's go chat with Beranda. Buranda, welcome to getting better. I am so excited to be here. You can't even imagine.

1:14.4

I have like the chills, but the non-sick chills. I'm just so excited to meet you in real life. I have been waiting for this moment. Because we had you on getting curious in 2022, right? Yes, I think. Well, we did. We did 2021 when the book came out and then did a second one in 2020. Oh, my God. So I think I, so just to catch you guys up, if you, if you were under a rock, we had you on in 2021.

1:13.7

Yes. and then did a second one in 2020. Oh, my God. So I think I, so just to catch you guys up, if you, if you were under a rock, we had you on in 2021.

1:14.8

And we, and we first, I was, I think it was because of my garden and I started interrogating

1:18.9

you about my garden.

1:20.5

And then I think, and then I think you maybe gave me your cell phone number and I was like,

1:23.9

you're going to regret this.

1:24.9

And then I have never regretted it. Thank God. I was... I really like... Because we went through the great squash-bore vine moth tragedy of 2021. I do remember that. It was tragic, but also it was loving to see how loving you were with your plants. But they didn't survive the great squash-bore vine mothing of 2021, 2021 which was devastating yes so basically that if you were

1:46.8

like a follower of my instagram back then you'll remember the great pumpkin patch of 2021 yes my pumpkins

1:52.1

really have never that was my most successful pumpkin year in texas that year that the squash

1:59.0

boar vine moss killed yes never could get him back like that.

2:02.0

I wonder. I had better, I had my best tomatoes last year that I'd ever had. What were really productive was our lufas, which you obviously can't eat. But we gave a lot of sponges. They're fun to watch grow, though. They are so fast. They are. But I do love to eat my food.

2:18.0

I love to eat my plants.

2:19.2

I don't know what farmer watch grow, though. They are so fast. But I do love to eat my food.

2:18.0

I love to eat my plants. I don't know what farmer John fucking cornfield. You're like, you want to grow for food. I do. Yes, yes. What's that about? I don't know. Some people love flowers. Like my mom loved flowers, but my dad was in your camp. It all had to be vegetables and things he could eat. I love flowers too, but I have to worry about my cats.

2:35.0

Because we had the great lily poisoning of 2019.

2:37.0

That's right.

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