Well, that's Toy Chair Nalim Zaharri's defence blown out of the water. After spending ages

saying, oh, my taxifers are all in order, it's fine, don't look at me, don't look at me,

nothing to see here if you keep digging, I'll sue you. That's the potted history of Nalim Zaharri

and tax. He had to fess up that he'd paid a penalty of 30%, applied to £3.7 million, just casually

lying around. That was expected to pay by his, his Majesty's revenue customs. Forgot, we've got

a king, haven't we, so only to get that correct. Don't want to be sent to London Tower,

along with Nalim Zaharri. Anyway, his argument was, it was a careless, careless, but deliberate error.

Unfortunately, that's been blown out of the water by Jim Harrah, a guy who should know,

because he's in charge of his Majesty's revenue and customs. Let's just hear what Jim Harrah

had to say. When I'll move over to Sarah only, MP. Thank you very much, Chair. Mr Harrah, I was just

wondering, what does it HMRC understand, or what does it mean to imply when it uses the word

carelessness that someone has been careless with their tax return, and what should the general

public understand by the use of that term? I mean, again, I'm not commenting on any particular

persons affairs, but carelessness is a concept in tax law. It can be relevant to how many

years, back years that we can assess, and it can be relevant to whether people, someone is liable

to a penalty, and if so, what penalty they would be liable to for an error in their tax affairs.

There are no penalties for innocent errors in your tax affairs. Yeah, you can sort of get the gist

there. Nalim Zaharri's defence is nonsense. You wouldn't have to pay a penalty for an innocent

error like that. Again, I think we need to just be very clear. Again, I keep saying there's

tax avoidance, tax evasion, not the same thing. Can't see me for this, Nadim, to say, don't say

me illegal, like you said, the independent and various other people. Basically, no one's

accusing them of doing something illegal. It's the issue of legal tax avoidance where the

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