I want to go to my friend Spencer Claven, author of the new book,

Light of the Mind, Light of the World, Illuminating Science Through Faith,

also the host of the podcast Young Heretics, and the Claremont Review of Books editor and one of my favorite

books, How to Save the West, that is his older books. Spencer, how are you, brother?

Hey, Mike, it's great to see you, man, doing well. How about yourself? Great to talk to you.

Let's talk about the West first, and then we'll talk about America's role in the West.

But when people talk about the West, what are we talking about?

Why is it good?

Well, when we talk about the West, we're talking about an evil white cis heteropatriarchal construct created on stolen land.

No, this is sort of the typical, right?

You know, people think you're talking about some kind of exclusive club,

the only certain countries or only get certain races get to join.

The opposite is actually true.

Western civilization is uniquely a secret society that stretches across time and space. It's defined by

the cultural inheritance of Athens and Jerusalem. And you need both of those in order to really

make the West. When you talk about Athens, you're thinking, you know, the great philosophers of

Greece and Rome. When you talk about Athens, you're thinking, you know, the great philosophers of Greece and Rome.

When you talk about Jerusalem, you're thinking about the scriptural tradition, first of the Jews and

then of the Christians and everything that we mean when we say Judeo-Christian teaching and tradition.

And those two things meet and transform the Roman Empire after the conversion of

Constantine so that what we now think of as the West becomes a series of nations as well.

But America is the inheritor of that tradition. So it's not just limited to Europe or to a particular

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