you know the 90s was really this era where liberal multiculturalism was very much being embraced right so in many ways how race trader was talking about whiteness they were trying to set it apart from what at the time was becoming a cottage industry, especially in academia, right? And I think in many ways, I think because Noel was in academia, he tended to be around a lot more of those people than like regular people would be right you know in kind of those settings you know it is about I don't know unpacking your privilege that feeling shame and guilt and talking about whiteness and these like very personal ways, right?

So I think the individual acts of race treason are like, I don't know, funny would be the word the word but you know a way that's almost

like you could see it as a critique of that right like it's almost like the opposite

of hectoring white people about their whiteness is like well do something about this in this one act right?

Yeah there's a lot of critiques of the whiteness studies that kind of merges in the 90s and then

also sort of predecessors to the diversity

consultants that are so hated today because they go into these professional or

corporate settings and you know tell people the rules and like set the standard of

of anti-racism that's very in line with you know the interests of of the boss more

or less and he critiques them at at certain points in the book and so I

understand like the the reverse Oreo thing is like a sort of way of saying like no you

actually have to kind of change your thinking or your way of living at the same time

you know later in the book we do have a defense of Rachel Dolezal which which is like almost a, you know, self-parodical for what you might

think of as a race trader or a white abolitionist.

And I don't think it's a wrong to, you know, defend Rachel Dozol in the way.

Certainly she was so deeply maligned for reasons that, you know, in some ways are fair and in some ways really weren't.

But yeah, well, what do you think of

the dolazol essay in the towards the end of the book? Well I think the fact that

we didn't include it in there it's separate 35. Is it too late to take it out?

Okay.