As Christians, we know that our final home will be the new heavens and the new earth.

And we also know that even today, our ultimate hope, Jesus, is in heaven and not on earth.

And yet, all too often, we can nevertheless struggle to cultivate a heavenly-mindedness in our own day-to-day lives. All too often, we can nevertheless struggle to cultivate a heavenly mindedness in our own day-to-day

lives. All too often, heaven is a place we only think about when someone passes away.

What would it look like to truly live our lives with, in the words of Paul, our minds set on

things that are above, not on things that are on earth.

My guest today is Cam Cole, and he wants to answer that question.

In our conversation, he shares how God used the unexpected and tragic death of his firstborn

son to dramatically shift his daily focus heavenward, revealing the joy-inducing power of an eternal

mindset. Cam Cole serves as director of children, youth, and family at Cathedral Church of the Advent

in Birmingham, Alabama. He's also the founder of Rooted, a ministry dedicated to fostering

gospel-centered youth ministry, and the author of Heavenward, a ministry dedicated to fostering gospel-centered youth ministry,

and the author of Heavenward, How Eternity Can Change Your Life on Earth from Crossway.

Let's get started.

Well, Cam, thank you so much for joining me again on the Crossway podcast.

Hey, glad to be here.

So you open your new book with a pretty bold, definitive statement.

You write, the primary problem in the spiritual lives of modern Christians is eschatological in nature.

I wonder if you could unpack.

What does that word mean?

It's kind of a big,

scary-sounding theology word. And then why do you say that? Yeah, so eschatology has to do with

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