China has progressively proven itself not to be what Americans, including myself, and perhaps naively, hoped it would be.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World Podcast, an audio version of what you can

find on public television, where I analyze global topics, sit down with big guests, and make use

of small puppets.

This week, I sit down with former Secretary of Defense, Ash

Carter. He served under President Obama from 2015 to 2017. Today I'll ask him about how the

world has changed since he was in the administration and what the current administration is

or isn't doing to address those changes. Let's get to it.

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So, Secretary of Defense, Ash Carter.

Good to be with you.

Good to be with you as well, here at the Belfare Center, which you direct at the Kennedy School, also Innovation Fellow in MIT.

Got the physicist hat, got the public policy hat.

A lot to talk about. So maybe start with

a combination of both, which is the role of technology in national security. And a tough

question, at least for me, which is how aligned do American technology firms need to be

with the Pentagon to ensure that we have adequate national security.

We, in the department, I guess they now, but my beloved department, needs the tech community enormously.

Remember that there are two things that make us the finest fighting for us the world has ever known.

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