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The Atlas Obscura Podcast

What Makes a Pest?

The Atlas Obscura Podcast

SiriusXM Podcasts & Atlas Obscura

Society & Culture, Places & Travel

4.61.6K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Animal-human conflict expert Bethany Brookshire explains why we put cats before rats – and a lot of it has to do with where we’re encountering them.

Transcript

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0:00.8

I'm going to use a slightly more polite term, but maybe you could tell me about freaking Kevin, as you called him.

0:12.2

Yes, effing Kevin is what I also sometimes call him.

0:16.4

So, I think Kevin lives in my backyard.

0:18.3

To be fair, there's not a single Kevin. Kevin is a stand-in

0:23.0

for like one of any 20. Kevin is a collective. Yeah, Kevin is a collective term, a gender-neutral

0:28.6

collective term for the Eastern gray squirrels that live in my backyard. And I am endlessly frustrated

0:35.0

by Kevin because I am a gardener and I like to grow tomatoes.

0:40.9

And Kevin also likes tomatoes, which is a real issue.

0:46.0

And so Kevin will take the tomato and he will take one bite.

0:49.8

Yes.

0:50.1

And then he will go.

0:50.8

The one bite out of the tomato is like a deep cruelty to the gardener.

0:55.0

Yes, it's one bite. And then Kevin recalls that he does not actually like tomatoes.

0:59.2

Right. And he just leaves it right there. And several years running now, the Kevin's in my yard have eaten every single tomato in my garden.

1:10.3

Yeah.

1:10.9

Dozens and dozens of tomatoes.

1:13.3

And it has been an endless source of frustration to me.

1:20.7

It seems like perhaps these interactions with your Kevin's kind of opened up something for you,

1:29.1

a kind of area of inquiry as a journalist that maybe took you much,

1:33.2

much farther than just figuring out how to stop your backyard squirrels

1:37.1

from nibbling on your tomatoes.

1:40.9

What did this open up for you?

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