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Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shots,

the Spectators Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Cindy U and I'm joined by Fraser Nelson and Katie Balls.

So today it seems like a little bit of a throwback because Listruss is making headlines

once again and she's setting out her vision for conservatism today.

Katie this is a conference called Popular Conservatism. Can you tell us about

what List Trust thinks about popular conservatism? She thinks it's good but I think probably the issue we get to is what do we define as

popular conservatism.

But as you say, it feels that the trussites are back today in the sense we have one trussite

leaving the field quasi quotang

who said he's going to step down he of course served as Liz Truss as Chancellor.

I don't think it's hugely surprising.

Ultimately quasicotang has taken a very low profile since the very short-lived trust premiership.

He's given a few interviews, but I think it's probably fair to say he has shown more signs of humility and regret.

They're not always, but generally saying,

we went too far and so forth than Liz Truss has.

So you have an interesting contrast today

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