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This is the outside podcast with Paddyo.

We can capture the Grand Canyon and the Colorado River just by sitting still sometimes.

And my favorite piece of water is when we float down river on a quiet moment. And you hear this little trickle of water hitting a rock.

And it's really loud, even though it's really little.

Because we're paying attention.

I always ponder its quietness. Like, gosh, it's really little, because we're paying attention. I always ponder its

quietness. Like, gosh, it does exist with or without us. The birds do the bird thing. The fish

do the fish thing. The wildness is just doing its thing down there. And we are just passing through.

Well, there's something very sacred and soulfully special to me that something like that, a scene like that, a quiet like

that exists before I show up to it and far after I leave it. If you don't go down into the bottom

of the Grand Canyon on a river trip, you don't even get the opportunity to experience that moment. You can be up on the

rim and get your 15 minute photo out there, but you don't really know the depth of her soul

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