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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

What it would take to end child poverty in America

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2020

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In 2019, about one in six children in America — 12 million kids nationwide — lived in poverty. That’s a rate about two or three times higher than in peer countries. And that was before the worst economic and public health crisis in modern history.    The scale of child poverty in America is a disgrace, not only because of the suffering it creates and the potential it drains from our society, but because it’s easily avoidable. Child poverty is not an inevitability; it’s a policy choice. And we’ve been making the wrong choice for far too long.    So for the second episode of our economic remobilization series, I wanted to focus on a simple set of questions: What if we started taking our moral responsibility to America’s kids seriously? What would that world look like? How would we get there?    Congress member Barbara Lee is the chair of the Majority Leader Task Force on Poverty and Opportunity — and she’s someone who raised two kids, as a single mom on public assistance. In 2015, Lee and her colleague Lucille Roybal-Allard commissioned a landmark report from the National Academy of Sciences to better understand child poverty in America and what we could do to reduce it. Released last year, the report lays out a series of concrete policy proposals that would cut child poverty in half while paying for themselves 10 times over in social benefits.   In this conversation, Lee and I discuss the psychological impact that poverty has on kids, why investing in children is one of the best investments a society can make, what other countries do right on this front that we can learn from, what it would take to end child poverty as we know it, and much more — including why Lee, a hero to many progressives, was an early backer of now-VP nominee Kamala Harris. This podcast is part of a larger Vox project called The Great Rebuild, which is made possible thanks to support from Omidyar Network, a social impact venture that works to reimagine critical systems and the ideas that govern them, and to build more inclusive and equitable societies. You can find out more at vox.com/the-great-rebuild References: "A Roadmap to Reducing Child Poverty" by the National Academies of Sciences A great Vox explainer on the child poverty report Book recommendations: The End of White Politics by Zerlina Maxwell Say It Louder! by Tiffany Cross  Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson  Please consider making a contribution to Vox to support this show: bit.ly/givepodcasts Your support will help us keep having ambitious conversations about big ideas. New to the show? Want to check out Ezra’s favorite episodes? Check out the Ezra Klein Show beginner’s guide (http://bit.ly/EKSbeginhere) Credits: Producer/Editor/Jack-of-all-audio-trades - Jeff Geld Searcher and Researcher - Roge Karma Want to contact the show? Reach out at ezrakleinshow@vox.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Unfortunately, this pandemic has become, and many respects, an equalizer.

0:07.9

And I think coming out of this, I think there'll be a greater sensitivity to what low-income

0:14.1

families have to deal with each and every day.

0:30.0

And welcome to The Desert Client Show on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

0:34.1

This episode is about a national crisis.

0:38.4

Sort of about the one you think coronavirus, but more about one that predates it.

0:43.8

America has a child poverty rate that is unique among pure nations.

0:50.0

About one in six children, nearly 12 million children total, lived in poverty before the

0:54.3

pandemic hit one in six.

0:55.8

Just sit and think about that.

0:57.3

Of every six children in the country, one, were in poverty.

1:01.4

That's about one in three black children.

1:03.3

It's about the same for American Indian children, nearly one in four Hispanic children, and

1:07.1

about one in 11 white children.

1:08.8

It's a huge racial component here.

1:12.4

This is a choice.

1:14.4

It's a choice.

1:16.1

Other countries impose different policies and they make different choices.

1:20.4

And something that I think we're seeing over the course of the pandemic is one, a lot

1:24.8

of middle income or even upper income families have been thrown into the same world of unstable,

1:30.9

unreliable, or completely absent childcare that poor families are in all the time and have

1:37.4

seen the way that is terrible for the children.

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