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This is the Tom Hartman program.

And we are back at the Tom Hartman show.

We are joined by professor Michael Kason and Michael will correct me if I mispronounce his name.

Professor Department of History at Georgetown, the book is come out, is about the democratic party

and how it won. Professor, thanks for being with us.

Great to be here, thanks for having me.

What prompted you again, it's what it took to win a history of the democratic party and it's

different, it's different than, as I understand it being the definitive history,

there I had an interpret it rather, the definitive history of the democratic party,

it rather suggests your perspective, sort of similar to Howard Zins of People's History

of the United States, what perspective, first of all feel free to disagree with that characterization,

and or what perspective do you bring to the conversation to the study?

Well, as the title suggests, what I'm trying to figure out in the book is what I argue in the book

is how the democrats won when they won and how they lost when they lost.

So, you know, most histories of the democratic party, most histories of sort of broad swathes

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