Hi everyone and welcome to Women Who Travel, a podcast from Condinas Traveller.

I'm Lale Aricoglu and with me, as always, is my co-host Meredith Carey.

Hello!

This week we're chatting with two new mums who you've heard on the podcast before

about the tips and tricks they're using to travel

with their young kids this summer. We're joined by TV host and journalist Anika Raymond

and Travelers Travel News Director Erin Floreo. Thanks so much for making the time to chat with us.

Thanks for having me. Pleasure. So, Onika, you had your daughter, Kira, not long before the pandemic began, and Erin,

your son Leo, was born in the middle of the pandemic.

Unlike a lot of other people right now, your return to travel isn't a return to the normal way

you were traveling before the pandemic since you're involving someone new in your planning.

How has the return to travel been for both

of you? What has that experience been like? Well, for me, I can say it's been very slow and very

considered in ways that it wasn't before the pandemic. And that's both because I am a new mother

and also because the world is a different place to travel in these days.

So I find the way that I'm making decisions has so many more factors going into it.

And I'm making, you know, these travel-based decisions that surprise me even.

I am choosing to stay closer to home.

And I am, that is the opposite of how Aaron in 2019 and before would have traveled, and there's just so many things to go into it.

So I know that for me has been a big difference, is it slower and far more considered.

Absolutely. I have to echo what Aaron said. There's a lot more preparation going into traveling these days. Once upon a time,

I could book a ticket and be on a plane and arrive at my destination without any lodging. But now

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