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Julianne Smith works in Brussels, Belgium, and she recently had some visitors, I get out from California,

some Hollywood screenwriters, who came out to get some ideas by watching her do her job at NATO.

In an all honesty, you struggle to tell that story because who wants to hear about a four-hour

negotiation where you save the day and got everybody to sign up to do something really innovative, to counter what Russia's trying to throw at us right now in Europe.

Smith is the U.S. ambassador to NATO, aka the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

I wanted to talk to her because right now between Russia's war with Ukraine and Israel's

war with Hamas, it feels like we're seeing the limits of diplomacy, that the carousel of

long debates, sanctions, proclamation, symbolic votes, well, they don't seem to be doing

much for people on the ground.

It's just people think of it, think of diplomacy when there's a headline, diplomacy to fix Gaza, right?

This is the challenge. They see troops deploying. They see an aircraft carrier.

It's enormously difficult to convey what a diplomat does and the tools you use and whether or not it's effective,

in part because when you are effective, nobody knows about it.

So today, one of the country's top diplomats, the U.S. ambassador to NATO,

about what she thinks of the state of U.S. diplomacy in its dealings with Russia,

Israel, China, whether Trump changed NATO for the better, and what it looks like when diplomacy works

and when it doesn't. I'm Adi Cornish, and this is the assignment.

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un rolled out the red carpet for Putin with a grand ceremony. The morning we met for our interview, the news broke that Russia and North Korea were celebrating a NATO-style deal, complete with parades

and flag-waving children.

After the pomp and circumstance, it was down to business.

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