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From the newsroom of the Washington Post

Hi, good afternoon. This is Tulu O'Lower-Nepa with the Washington Post.

Hi, this is Amy Britton calling to the post.

This is Peter Jameson from the Washington Post.

This is Post Reports. I'm routine powers.

It's Thursday, June 11th.

Today, the movement to defund the police.

Joe Biden's history with law enforcement and hope for people struggling after COVID.

Defunding the police is a way to get at having a very serious conversation where people would like to have a shallow conversation.

My name is Jonathan Williams. I am broadly a community organizer and I've been living here in Washington, D.C.

It really gets us to think more creatively and expansively about why have we normalized making the government response to all of these social problems a law enforcement response.

We don't even think about the extent to which we do that now.

My name is Kristi Lopez. I'm a professor at Georgetown Law School.

I'm the co-director of the Innovative Police Team Project.

I was formally an attorney with the United States Department of Justice Civil Rights Division.

As part of the public budgeting process, these decisions are made every year.

Over the years, more and more money has been concentrated in policing and in law enforcement.

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