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Dial In with Jonny Ardavanis

What is Worship? Jesus Explains

Dial In with Jonny Ardavanis

Jonny Ardavanis

Religion, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9 β€’ 901 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 2 June 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

What is worship, really? Most people say "singing" β€” but Jesus has a very different answer.

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In John 4, Jesus sits down with the last person anyone expected: a Samaritan woman with a broken past. And in that conversation, he gives the clearest definition of worship in all of Scripture β€” in spirit and in truth.

Here's the problem: most churches pick a lane.

Some go all-in on the spiritual experience β€” the emotion, the atmosphere, the "encounter." Others go all-in on doctrine and truth β€” deep teaching, sound theology, the Word. And both camps look at the other and think they've got it figured out.

But Jesus says they're two sides of the same coin.Spirit without truth leads to hysteria. Truth without spirit leads to stoicism β€” more morgue than a meeting with the living God. Real, biblical worship refuses to separate the two.

In this episode we unpack:

βœ… Why worship is far more than a song

βœ… What "spirit" and "truth" actually mean β€” and why you need both

βœ… How superficial teaching always produces superficial worship

βœ… How the most rejected woman in the story became the first evangelist

βœ… What God actually thinks about your worship

πŸ“– John 4:16–42

Transcript

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How you feel in worship is less important than how God feels about our worship and he wants to be in spirit and truth.

0:06.0

The response to someone being changed by God is worship, and we know that it is possible to go through the motions without any passion of our heart.

0:18.0

So worship that Jesus is after, and we see this in Malachi, is from the depths of our heart. So worship that Jesus is after, and we see this in Malachi,

0:21.7

is from the depths of our soul.

0:24.3

And yet, unlike much of the worship

0:27.6

in the contemporary church today,

0:29.5

true worship is never manipulated.

0:31.8

I hear the word encounter a lot these days,

0:33.5

but no one encounters God

0:35.3

without encountering the truth,

0:36.5

both at the corporate level and the personal level.

0:38.6

And I think sometimes people kind of pick their line,

0:41.5

we're gonna be the truth church,

0:42.6

or we're gonna be the Spirit Church,

0:44.3

but you have to be both of those things with gusto

0:48.3

in order for it to be a biblical one.

0:57.5

Hank, how we doing? I'm doing great, Johnny.

0:58.4

How are you doing?

0:59.4

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1:02.8

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1:05.4

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1:06.7

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