Is that Lisa? I do hear you.

Hi. Let me turn it up a little bit.

When I reached Lisa Lairer at the New York Times, this is one of the first things she said to me.

Lisa, thank you so much for doing this.

Oh, thanks for having me. I love talking about Tulsi Cabards.

My sweet spot.

I think a lot of people feel the way Lisa does. They want to talk about Tulsi Gabbard, but at the same time, they are not quite sure what Tulsi Gabbard is trying to tell them.

I just find her really fascinating, and I find her evolution really fascinating from this sort

of darling star of the Democratic Party to kind of whatever she is now.

It's just a great story, you know.

But her polling numbers, what are they right now?

Well, I mean, it depends on the poll, but they're certainly in the single digits.

I was in Iowa this past weekend where they had this big party dinner. The Liberty and Justice

dinner used to be known as the JJ. It's the last really all candidate event, like cattle call

kind of thing before the Iowa caucuses. So it's a big marker in that state's calendar.

And that state obviously plays a very crucial role in the nominating

contest and Tulsi Gabbard did not qualify to have a speaking slot so that gives you a sense

of you know really how much momentum and organizational energy this campaign has not a lot

yes not a lot but Tul. Not a lot.

But Tulsi Gabbard has a different kind of momentum. Sure, she's running for the Democratic presidential nomination. But her candidacy is being propelled forward by forces outside of the Democratic Party itself. I want to bring in now, former White House chief strategist, Steve Bannon, the host of the news.

And I think the most confusing piece is her embrace of the right-wing media.

Well, look, I think she's a rising star, you know, Major Gabbard.

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