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We're Having Gay Sex

What is “Topping/Bottoming” for Lesbians? (w/ Award-Winning Writer Carmen Machado) | WHGS Ep. 323

We're Having Gay Sex

Ashley Gavin & Studio71

Comedy, Comedy Interviews, Society & Culture

4.72.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

This episode is all about theory, listener! Carmen Maria Machado is an author, essayist, and finalist for the National Book Award with her impressive body of work around queer identity, but today she’s in the apartment to put her genius towards solving age-old queer conundrums! We discuss topping vs. bottoming as a lesbian, what that actually entails, how it manifests in practice, and the Renaissance Faire. Ashley and Jen accidentally ask a man for a threeway. Lizzy experiences cinematic heartbreak.  FOLLOW CARMEN MARIA MACHADO: Check out her books: https://linktr.ee/carmenmariamachado?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carmenmmachado/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@carmenmariamachado  Website: https://carmenmariamachado.com/image  FOLLOW ASHLEY GAVIN @ashgavs TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashgavscomedy Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashgavs/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ashgavs Twitter: https://twitter.com/ashgavs Tour Dates & Newsletter: https://www.ashleygavin.com/#dates FOLLOW LIZZY CASSIDY @lizzycassidy TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lizzycassidycomedy  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lizzycassidy/  Twitter: https://x.com/lizzaster  Tour Dates & Podcasts: https://linktr.ee/lizzycassidy  FOLLOW JEN DAVIS @jenparkerdavis Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenparkerdavis/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jenparkerdavis  FOLLOW ALEX VRAHAS @alvrahas Mailing List: https://forms.gle/t48AUUEYzrNagU1B9  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alvrahas/   SUPPORT OUR PODCAST: Watch this UNCUT: https://www.patreon.com/WHGS Merch: https://shop.merchcentral.com/collections/ashley-gavin Watch on this YouTube: https://youtu.be/12QVX_B1-4c  ______________________________________________ SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: HERS: Get affordable and personalized treatment at https://www.forhers.com/gay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

I've been trying to sort out a theory of, like, lesbian topping and bottoming. Do you know Bart's, like, the philosophy, he's like a writer philosopher. He has this theory where he talks about, like, if you're the wife and your husband goes to sea and you're like walking the widow's walk, like waiting for him to return, you were in this like position of waiting. So I was like, I feel like this translates to topping and bottoming in the

0:22.1

sense that like when you are bottom, it's like you have like subspace or like bottom drift or whatever

0:27.0

where you're like somewhere else, right, where you go through that sort of like moment of like

0:30.7

ecstasy or whatever. And like that's like going to see. And so the top is just waiting for you

0:35.2

to come back. Wow. What a crazy thing you just said.

0:39.0

That was really amazing.

0:50.2

Oh my God. Such a fun episode. You might have read her books listener. We have Carmen Maria Machado on the podcast today. She is an acclaimed author and she was a finalist for the National Book Award. I think that's just so, that is a level of accomplishment.

1:13.9

I don't even dare to dream of Alex.

1:16.0

I mean, that is just so spectacular.

1:18.3

And she was so funny and honestly,

1:20.7

maybe one of the most brilliant,

1:24.3

most insightful conversations I think we've had,

1:25.8

mostly driven by her.

1:28.8

Oh my God, and literally about topping and bottoming.

1:32.7

I mean, what more does a lesbian want, you little queer bottom?

1:37.3

If you want to fully understand yourself, you have to listen to this episode,

1:39.1

because you don't know who you are without it.

1:45.7

I'm probably currently in Europe, and please come see me.

1:46.8

I would love to see you.

1:51.8

Everything's selling pretty well, except London and Dublin for some reason.

1:56.2

I don't know why you guys want to hurt me like this, but, you know, if you need a discount code or something, if you're financially struggling, shoot me a DM.

1:59.3

That goes for any city, you guys. I tried. I do a ticket raffle if you didn't know about that. I'm always trying to help everyone come see my comedy. And get on my text alert so I can text you so that you know, and you can still ask me for a discount. Oh, yeah. I can't give it to everybody, you guys, but I always try.

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