What is Too Far When Former Intelligence Community Leadership Criticizes the President?
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 29 August 2018
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
This edition of The Lawfare Podcast grows out of an email exchange between David Kris and Jack Goldsmith over a draft article Jack had written about John Brennan and other intelligence community former leaders who were criticizing the president in public and from whom the president was threatening to pull their security clearances in response.
What is appropriate for intelligence community leaders to say about the president? What is going too far? What is outside their lane? And what is required by the current moment when intelligence community leaders face a rogue elephant of a president who is violating every norm we know?
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| 0:30.0 | If John were to say, look, I know stuff because I was the CIA director |
| 0:38.0 | and I saw some stuff that you guys haven't seen yet. |
| 0:41.0 | You people out in the public, I do think that is across the credential limit. |
| 0:46.0 | So Jack and I, I think are in agreement probably in the concept and maybe different in the application. |
| 0:51.0 | Yeah, I actually think the line is a little different than that. |
| 0:54.0 | I think, obviously Brennan has not said anything that extreme. |
| 0:58.0 | The problem is that in his tweets and in some of his writings and some of his television appearances, |
| 1:04.0 | he just hasn't made it clear whether he's relying on information that he had inside the government. |
| 1:09.0 | And sometimes in my judgment, he implies that some of his judgments are based on what he saw |
| 1:15.0 | that have been confirmed by what's on the outside. |
| 1:17.0 | So I think that Putin's commands much more caution. |
| 1:22.0 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast August 28, 2018. |
| 1:29.0 | This is a peculiar edition of the LawFair podcast. |
| 1:32.0 | It grows out of a exchange on email between David Chris and Jack Goldsmith |
| 1:39.0 | over a draft article Jack had written about John Brennan and other intelligence community |
| 1:47.0 | former leaders who were criticizing the president in public and whom the president was threatening to pull their security clearances in response. |
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