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Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's daily politics podcast.

I'm Natasha Rose and I'm joined by Paul Goodman from Conservative Home and Katie Pauls.

Leanderson has been causing some trouble this week.

He's the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party and former minor.

Katie, is he a problem for the Conservatives?

He's managed to be annoying to both parties this week.

The first one was the F-Off comment, which we talked about earlier this week saying,

if a silent speaker's do not like the latest barge, they can F-Off back to France.

Ministers didn't directly quote a,

or say they agreed with it, but you did have more mild-mannered figures such as Alex Chalksay.

They agreed with the sentiment, and I think it's probably for the Tories

vaguely helpful in the sense of things.

A minister would not go so far as to say, but they think they might speak to some of their voters.

Then for Labour, they were asked, oh, do you agree with this?

And that's annoying for Kirstama's party, because Kirstama is trying to get Labour

to take this line on things like small boats and immigration, whereby they do not get morally

indignant. They do not say this is cruel. The Rwanda policy is cruel.

You do not have front benches saying that. Instead, they say it is unworkable.

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