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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectators Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Forsyth.

Well, today we have a very unexciting but very important sounding document,

which is the Heat and Building Strategy, which has been delayed quite a while and has been published today. There's also the net zero strategy coming out today.

Katie, you've had the great pleasure of reading these. Yes, and I think the heat and building

strategy is interesting because obviously it sounds pretty dry,

but this report has been delayed and delayed in terms of being released to the public.

And I think it hits on this nervousness in Downing Street about the net zero agenda and keeping the public on the side.

We know that when it comes to polls on, you know, do you support, you know, preserving the environment?

Do you want to stop global warming?

It polls really well.

People really care about it as an issue.

But I think when you get to the polls on, you know, well, would you get rid of your gas boil by this type?

Would you move to an electric car?

What about the current price of electric cars?

It gets a little bit more choppy. And when it comes to,

obviously, we're quite near to COP now, under two weeks to the climate summit in November.

And I think the top line from this is ultimately a new subsidy of £5,000 to move from a gas boiler to a heat pump. So that is when you need to renew or get a new boiler, you instead get a heat pump.

It sounds good. It obviously sounds generous. I think the problem is that the cheapest you can get a

heat pump is £6,000. And it goes all the way up to over $15,000 depending. And it's sense,

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