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Hello and welcome to the Excerpt. I'm USA Today World Affairs Correspondent Kim Helmgaard.

Today is Sunday, December 10, 2023. 23. runs its course. That's what we're discussing today with Mustafa Bar Gutti, a one-time

Palestinian presidential candidate and the current leader of the Palestinian

National Initiative. The P&I is a political party formed in the West Bank more than

two decades ago. It is sometimes described as a third force in Palestinian politics that

as opposed to both the FATA political party

which runs the West Bank through its control of the Palestinian Authority

and Hamas which has been in control of Gaza since 2007

when it ousted the PA from power there.

Lissafa, thanks for joining today's show.

Thank you, good to be with you.

Over the last two months, there's been a number of ideas put forward by different groups and governments

about what they think should happen to Gaza when the war ends. A lot of this may be pie in the sky

type thinking because we of course don't know how the ward will end.

It's also important to acknowledge that Gaza appears to be on the verge of

collapse from a humanitarian perspective.

As Israel continues to ramp up its military campaign in southern Gaza, what, or indeed who, will be left in Gaza to govern it by the time this war ends is not clear.

Nevertheless, Mustafa, can you start us off by giving a brief overview of what you see as the various ideas circulating for Gaza the day after the war concludes?

Sure, but before that I must tell you that really it is very hard to talk about what will come after while we have this situation in Gaza because it is very, very dangerous situation.

There is a huge number of casualties.

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