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The Ezra Klein Show

What Is the Democratic Party For?

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2024

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Top Democrats have closed ranks around Joe Biden since the debate. Should they? Mentioned: “This Isn’t All Joe Biden’s Fault” by Ezra Klein “Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden” by The Ezra Klein Show “Here’s How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work” with Elaine Kamarck on The Ezra Klein Show The Hollow Parties by Daniel Schlozman and Sam Rosenfeld Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This audio essay was produced by Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Fact-Checking by Jack McCordick and Michelle Harris. Mixing by Efim Shapiro. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Elias Isquith and Aman Sahota. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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0:00.0

From New York Times opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. I've been thinking about this moment on Thursday night after the first presidential debate

0:28.2

when MS NBC's Alex Wagner interviewed Governor Gavin Newsom of California.

0:33.8

You were out there getting a chorus of questions about whether Biden should step down.

0:37.8

There is panic that has set in.

0:40.1

Well, there is panic that is set in among people who have watched this debate who are Democrats, people who are strategists, and some even inside Democratic campaigns.

0:49.0

Do you think it's unfounded? Well, I think it's unhelpful and I think it's unnecessary. We've got to go in, we've got to keep our heads high,

0:57.0

and as I say, we've got to have the back of this president. You don't turn your back because of one performance. What kind of party does that?

1:05.2

What kind of party would do that? Well, maybe a party that wanted to win.

1:09.8

A party that wanted to nominate a candidate that the American people believe is up to doing

1:13.8

the most important, most difficult job in the world. Maybe the better question is, what kind of party

1:19.4

right now would do nothing? In February, I argue that Joe Biden should step aside,

1:25.2

that he shouldn't run for re-election.

1:27.4

The Democrats should do what political parties did

1:29.8

in presidential elections until the 1970s.

1:32.8

Choose a ticket at their convention.

1:35.2

In public, the backlash I got from top Democrats was ferocious.

1:38.8

I was a bedwetter living inside an Aaronandsorkin-drenched fantasy land.

1:44.9

In private, their feedback was more tentative and thoughtful and frightened.

1:49.5

No one tried to persuade me that Biden was a strong candidate. They argued instead that he

1:54.1

couldn't be convinced to step aside. That even if he could be, that Vice President

1:58.6

Kamala Harris would lose the election. That even if a convention passed over Harris, that passing her over would alienate black

2:05.8

women. They argued not that Joe Biden was strong, but that the Democratic Party was weak,

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