Hi, everybody. This is Kathy. And this is Todd. And welcome to our new show called Conversations with People We Love.

We're going to be speaking with authors, friends, philanthropists, you name it. It's basically people who are out there making the world a better place.

Yes, these people inspire us and we think they'll inspire you. And this program is brought to you by BU, raising whole and courageous kids.

These aren't just workshops. It's a movement.

Enjoy the show.

All right. Here we go. My name's Todd Adams. This is Kathy Adams. Welcome back to Zen Parenting Radio,

but this isn't a normal Zen Parenting Radio, sweetie. This is a special one.

This is special because it's one of the conversations with people we love installments.

That's right.

And we have somebody here who's a friend of ours, but started out as a friend of yours.

Her name is Annie Burnside.

Yes, I take her.

I get her.

I know.

Sometimes I have friends and then they become more Todd's, but Annie's fine. Give me an example of who. Frank. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Josh? Yeah, well, stop having friends with boys. Stop having boyfriends that I end up coveting.

Okay, I will. So, good. So Annie's fine. So Annie Burnside, she's a published author. She's written a book called Soul to Soul Parenting. Annie, say hello.

Hello, everybody. Thrilled to be here. Soul to Soul Parenting, how, how, when did you come, when did this book come out?

Let's see. I think it's been about three years now. It was like my fourth child. I tell you what, first book poured out of me just from what we're doing

in our own family. Awesome. And you want to tell your story of how you came across Annie, sweetie?

I do. I feel like I've told this before, but because this may be the first time that people are

hearing us talk about Annie Birdside, Annie Birdside.com, by the way, is so I can't remember

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