All self-interest, it seems, leads if you allow it to.

It leads to a more refined understanding of what makes us happy.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others

leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I'm Brett Kisler, here today with my co-host, Joe Hudson.

So a lot of the work that we do in these courses has been around finding our wants,

finding our needs and our wants and asking for what we want and getting what we want

and just really living into our own self-interest and loving it and trusting it as good.

And a lot of this seems to conflict with a lot of a programming that we've gotten from parenting

or from society around selfishness and not being selfish and being selfless.

And I'm curious to dive into in this episode the line,

if there is a line, between healthy self-interest and what we call selfishness. How do you define

selfishness? I have probably a pretty ludicrous definition of it, but it's what your parents told you you were when they wanted

you to do something else. I think that's really what selfishness is. Every time I've watched a

parent call somebody selfish and then, you know, they become adults and then they think they're

selfish. It's always because the parent wants them to do something else and so,

or they're not doing what they want, right?

So it's almost a projection of selfishness from the parent.

To even call your kids selfish is a selfish act, you know,

and if you're defining it the same way, because a kid's whole job is to

learn how to assert their will and to get their wants and needs met. And of course, like,

there's no two-year-old who's like, let me think about world peace. The two-year-old's like,

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