Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I'm Brett Kisler, here today with my co-host, Joe Hudson.

Hey, Brett.

Hey, hey.

Hey, I want to do something different today.

I want to ask you questions.

I want to interview you.

And the reason I want to interview you is because your understanding of safety and fear, I think, is so unique given both, like, being a CEO of a company and um and doing air sports losing friends um a lot of friends

in air sports that i wanted to kind of go into your story of how you've processed safety and fear

and i just think there's a lot to learn there for everybody and also I think it would just

be nice for everybody to know like a little bit more about you and your story so I was hoping

that we could I could just interview you on safety and fear yeah let's do it we were just

recording the second limiting beliefs episode just before this.

And one of the things that we were talking about was this thing around safety,

where we're afraid to try on different beliefs or see through our beliefs

and explore different ways of being because we haven't proven that it's safe.

And this is something that's been really, really big in my life for a very long time.

And specifically in the world of base jumping and paragliding and just air sports,

where the attachment to safety really shows up.

Yeah.

So I'd love to get into that a little bit more.

Yeah.

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