Hey, hey, hey, it's Al Letson, host of reveal and more to the story.

This week, we got something a bit different for you.

We recently teamed up with the broadcaster and podcaster Pablo Torre for a special episode

of his investigative show Pablo Torre finds out.

Pablo is a sharp interviewer.

You might have caught him on ESPN or Morning Joe.

He's a sports writer who brings a forensic eye to all kinds of topics. And that investigative DNA

is something we share here on Reveal. The result is the episode you're about to hear, presented

in full. Our colleague Madison Pauley dug deep into how right-wing superstar

Riley Gaines built an anti-trans empire. It's about how a swimmer who tied a trans woman for

fifth place became a viral figure with an outsized influence in Trump world and arguably helped

reshape the 2024 election and electoral politics more

broadly. There's so much surprising and new here. Madison is an amazing reporter and really

brought the goods. I hope you enjoy this episode of Pablo Torre finds out and we'll be back

next week with a new episode of more to the Story. This is really cool. I've never done anything like this before. I've never done a podcast before, so... Oh, my God. Well, okay. So, apologies in advance. No, no, no, no. So I want to explain for our audience here, let's just get into it. I want to explain for our audience here that you, Madison, are joining us from where? I'm in San Francisco. I'm in the Center for Investigative Reporting offices.

The Center for Investigative Reporting is, of course, the parent company of Mother Jones, which is one of the most venerable journalistic institutions in America.

Has been that way for decades upon decades upon decades. And it's really cool to partner with you guys on a story that I have been trying to fit into our strange docket

because I think that this investigation that you did for us is the thing that has been lurking underneath the surface of like the most explosive topic in sports and politics for what four years

for quite consequential years at the very least at this point yeah even even more 2020 i think is when

this all started and it has been a wild ride and i'm excited to dig into this part of it yeah so this is

if nothing else, a profile.

It's a profile of, I think, what might be the main character of this movement that has dominated American politics.

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