What is Putin thinking?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 28 February 2022
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
As fighting continues in Ukraine, Victoria Derbyshire and Gabriel Gatehouse look at how the crisis is being reflected in Russia. They’re joined by Angus Roxburgh, who spent three years as a consultant to the Kremlin, to discuss whether the people closest to Putin will stay loyal to him though this conflict. And the BBC’s Liza Fokht in Moscow has been asking Russians what they think about the invasion. Back in Ukraine, we catch up with Max, whose son and wife were injured when a missile hit their home in Kyiv last week.
This episode of Ukrainecast was made by Estelle Doyle with Natalie Ktena, Phil Marzouk and Alix Pickles. The studio director is Emma Crowe. The assistant editor is Alison Gee and the editor is Jonathan Aspinwall.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's day five since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began and here's what we're talking |
| 0:10.6 | about today. |
| 0:11.6 | Obviously, the curfew in the capital cave was lifted this morning and people are emerging |
| 0:16.0 | from underground where they've been living to avoid the shelling and the missile strikes. |
| 0:21.6 | And here's Ksenia, who spoke to Radio Force today, programmed this morning. |
| 0:25.5 | They've spent more than 36 hours on this underground non-stop without the possibility to go outside |
| 0:34.7 | and right now I'm at my home and finally I even can't describe what I feel and it's just |
| 0:43.5 | I'm happy to stay alive and safe and just to have this possibility to see my splendid and beautiful |
| 0:49.9 | key of like and to get some grasp of fresh air and see the sun and all of these. |
| 0:57.5 | And what I want to know, Vic, is what on earth is going on, not just in Putin's head but in the |
| 1:03.3 | heads of those around him, those in the Kremlin and I mean all the pictures of carnage coming out |
| 1:10.8 | from the ground in Ukraine. For me, one of the most telling pictures is this, let me show it to you. |
| 1:17.2 | So this is a photograph of two Russians? |
| 1:20.7 | Two Russians in suits. |
| 1:21.9 | In suits, in dark suits. |
| 1:23.3 | Sitting at the end of one of Putin's long tables, Putin's way off down the other end and these two |
| 1:28.2 | people, it's the head of Russia's central bank and the economy minister. |
| 1:33.0 | The head of the bank, she's got her hand over her mouth as if she's suppressing a gasp |
| 1:37.5 | of horror and the economy minister is holding his hand to his forehead and he seems to have his eyes |
| 1:42.5 | closed. A picture tells a thousand words, you know, this, this crisis. |
| 1:46.8 | So they can't believe what they are now having to do with. |
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