One of my principles as a warrior is implicit, you know, Occam's raiser, get to the simple root of things, right?

But simple is not easy.

I feel the kinds of transformational moments we seek. The pieces of it do not all lie in our grasp. It's distributed in a

world that is just as intelligent and alive as us. Only the monstrous can enact

transformation.

Think of cracks as the emergence of the monstrous.

It's the disturbance of the ways that we live.

It's a tendency that invites a different way of living in the world.

Do you think artificial intelligence is one of those cracks?

So that's what you're story about? Yes.

Baja, thanks so much for joining me today on the Mark Devine show.

I'm really, really grateful for your presence here.

So glad to be here, brother.

Thank you for having me.

I was just reading your background and your website.

I don't think I understood half the words that you use, but you have a very fascinating life

and mission, so I'm really excited to kind of dive into it.

But you're from a tribe in Africa. Tell us about your upbringing. Like, what was that like I for some reason I find it just

fascinating you know what would be like to be born and brought up in a

tribal village in Africa help me understand that world, I wasn't brought up in a village. I was

brought up in a city. You were. I grew up in a city. I grew up in Lagos, Nigeria. My growing up had a lot of joy and regret and pain and sorrow like any other persons.

My father passed away when I was 15. I had to fend for my family to take care of things which often involve cooking, chicken on the streets, to sell barbecue or pushing a truck to earn some money for the family.

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