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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Cindy Yu,

and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Forsyth. So today, Michael Grove, the Chancellor for the

Duchy of Lancaster, is going to Israel to check out what's going on there with the vaccine passports.

Katie, what's the purpose of this trip? Officially, it's a fact-finding mission, also known as a listening exercise.

But I think the phrase listening exercise is met by increasing cynicism in the Tory party.

We've had Michael go inviting lots of Tory MPs to listening exercises on vaccine passports.

And this trip to Israel, which has also seen as a listening exercise

to some degree. Again, there's a strong steer and push that ultimately no final decision

has been taking on vaccine passports, but just as MPs who go to listening exercise with Michael

Gove believe a decision has been taken. I think Michael Gove's decision

to fly out to Israel and meet with various Israeli politicians and look at various things,

including the Green Pass system, is just seen as a further confirmation that we are heading

to some form of COVID vaccine identification system. Now, again, I'll say no decision has been taken,

but I do think it just feeds into that narrative. We also know that work is underway in terms

of developing an app, what it would look like. Gober said that to MP, I think documents

have now appeared on that. So I think that's the starting point, ultimately looking at how

the various policies work in Israel and what the UK

can learn from that. Now, we know that when it comes to a model that the UK would like to replicate,

Israel is top of the list. If you look at how, you know, the infection rate has fallen, deaths have

fallen, cases have fallen, I think that's where the UK would quite like to get to.

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