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Hello, I'm Alison Mitchell and welcome to the TMS podcast.

As the men's Ashes fast approaches, I'm alongside former England Ashes batter David

Milan and England World Cup winner Ebony Rainford Brent to discuss just what this period is like for players who know that they'll be heading out down under and just how they deal with that pressure.

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Just around the corner, the elephant's in the room. Everyone is acknowledging 21st of November is the start of the

ashes in Perth david you've gone on two ashes tours haven't you um 1718 and 21 22 which was a very

difficult one because that was COVID both of them four nil defeats but you did pretty well in 1718

didn't you averaging 42 with the bat but the pressure is really just going

to ramp up between now and the start of the series what is this period like for players who know

they'll be on the plane or believe they'll be on the plane hope they'll be on the plane yeah uh be a very

exciting time yeah not great memories for me personally well from a team point of view we've

absolutely happened i think it's eight out of ten that we've got destroyed by the Aussie. So not great memories for me from that. Personally, obviously, got a few runs. But yeah, look, I think this next bit is about understanding, you know, a bit what we spoke about earlier, the schedule, taking time off, understanding when they want to train, how much they want to train, what they want to put into place from an individual point of view. I know when I went over to the Ashes, I had a good period where I studied the bowlers, ask questions from a lot of players that have been there and been successful about what to expect, not only on the field but off the field, what type of technique I needed, what type of

shots would be more beneficial at the different grounds, because all the grounds are different. You know, starting at Perth this time instead of Brisbane. Brisbane day one is a little bit slower, nibbles a little bit, gets quicker as the game gets on, and gets a bit more bouncy, whereas Perth is going to be bouncy from day one. It's going to be really steep bounce, and it's going to be something that England players

haven't been used to.

I know they're not doing some warm-up games out there, so that might affect them. Just want a light of kill, isn't it, with the Lions? That's right, yeah. Yeah, so they're having an inter-squad game or something with the Lions. that'd be interesting

and see where they play that

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