And So, So anyway, so what is it that sort of you think about in the rise of whiteness and how does it relate to the realities of indigenous folks.

Yeah, I think, first of all, that I think Europe,

I think one of the points that I get across

from this particular book is, well,

in the entire, I guess, trilogy you know Europe colonized itself first and

Europe colonized itself without actually knowing itself as Europe but through that

colonization process of not just of the continent of Europe which is essentially just a

peninsula of Asia let's be honest it's not anything different than that and why Asia.

But you know like that colonization process begins there and

and it's exported to the rest of the world.

And so that's the birth of capitalism

is through colonial, as we discussed earlier,

is through expansion and through capturing markets

and through foreign trade and all of these things and so it's in

it's in here in that kind of ideology and I would say that it's fundamentally a

religious project at the at the very outset.

You know, you have these papal bulls.

And we know the papal bull of the doctrine of discovery,

which literally divided the world,

you know, the hemispheres of the world. It's, you know, the first kind of color line, I would say, that's being

iterated to quote or to evoke W.E.B. Du Bois in saying that this part of Africa belongs to the Portuguese crown and this part of Africa belongs to the Spanish crown.

This part of, you know, the world, essentially the hemispheres of the world belongs to each of these colonizing monarchies.

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